Episode 22 - "Sick of This"

Adel, Ausama and Saif speak out about the civil war and the religious divides plaguing their society.

Viewer Comments

In war nobody wins.
Posted on: May 02, 2007

In civil war NObody wins.
Posted on: May 02, 2007

Hi Saif, you are right in civil war nobody wins and I wish it would stop in Iraq; But in my understanding of the internal conflict in Iraq, it was the sunni insurgents/ex-ba'athists/sunni extemists who started the killing first, through car bombs in open places etc. It was only after the bombing of the mosque in Samarra that shias began to retaliate. What do you think? Logically there would be no point for shias to kill after they invasion, they want to re-build their country but it makes sense that sunnis would because they were angry that they were not in power anymore (this doesn't apply to all sunnis but the ones that supported Saddam, the Ba'athists) let me know what you think, best wishes Marwan
Posted on: May 02, 2007

This is song is about ending racism the author of this video does the anti war theme. Although I do not agree with all the views in it. Please listen to this song its a cry for unity. Its exactly how I felt after watching this sad clip with Adel. Unity as one stand together!
Posted on: May 02, 2007

Hello friends, I just wanted to point out that the overwhelming majority of Iraqies( Sunni and Shiia) have never participated nor do they support the sectarian killings otherwise the outcome would be much more brutal conflict, we've always lived peacefully, it's all caused by many factors such as the sectarian and racist politicians and the hidden foreign agendas that took advantage of the security gap to acheive it's goals.
Posted on: May 02, 2007

Adel- yes, I for one understand that its not the majority of people. The hidden foriegn agendas indeed... Im so fucking sick of this shit, and I dont even live there. Welcome to NWO.
Posted on: May 02, 2007

Very expressive video, but one thing we all must know, that IRAQIS, regardless if they were (sunni, shiiti, kurds, assyrian, turkman...etc.) r still called IRAQIS, so all these sectarian names that tried and actually somehow worked in dividing our beloved ppl, into this and that, were never exsist, only in sick-minded ppl...we all are borthers and sisters of one great country called IRAQ..
Posted on: May 02, 2007

This was a remarkable video I got choked up at the end when I saw Adel couldn't continue his interview. I have no idea what its like to be in your shoes, I am at a loss for words. There has to be away to not divide your people any more. It must be tough there has been a power struggle in Iraq for the last 30 years. Now that the future is open I ask all factions to forget your religons. It's like a christian and a catholic arguing over such small different beliefs. Iraq needs a hero that can show them what they have now. All insurgents, freedom fighters, religous people lay down your weapons work together. THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND LIVE IN PEACE. When America had its civil war 630,000 died within a 4 year period. At the end of it all we were bruised we had hurt egos but something happened through all the pain of war, civil war. We found out who we were and learned a lesson that we would not soon forget. Some times we have to look back and think as humans and say what have we done? Only then can we move forward I desperatly pray for a day when the violence ends. God be with you in your time of need My god, your god, their god who the fuck cares any more. Peace,
Posted on: May 02, 2007

I think the part of the video that spoke loudest was when Adel needed a moment to walk away. I don't even have words right now, either. It's frustrating not being able to do more.
Posted on: May 03, 2007

Thank you for producing this site and letting it be known what is happening there on a daily basis. Watching these videos drives home the point that we are more alike than different and we need to recognize that Hang in threre all of you.
Posted on: May 03, 2007

I was curious to know if Ausama, Adel, and Saif know each other (before the taping of this documentary). I applaud the creators in finding such three extraordinary human beings, who, each in their own way, express themselves and what it is like to be a young Iraqi in today's Iraq. Adel, my heart goes out to you. Saif, despite the turmoil, you still manage to laugh. You manage to make me laugh and your friends laugh, that's a great trait. Ausama, you're such a kind soul, I am sure your family is proud of the man you have become.
Posted on: May 03, 2007

Just wanted to commend the view of Ausama that we are Muslim; Adel says that he is sunni but doesn't practice, Saif, well its obvious, but Ausama takes the approach that all Iraqis should take and just say we are Muslim before anything, there is no difference between us. When people in England ask me what I am, I just say Muslim, because this is the truth. They get curious because they know I am Iraqi etc etc. p.s. Saif, what did you mean by saying that sunnis and shias have different religions?? Did you mean to say that they are different sects? Because they are both Muslims in my view!
Posted on: May 03, 2007

I would have to say that youtube is one of the best ways to relay a message on Iraq related subjects on a blog. Nice work...
Posted on: May 03, 2007

Better yet, in my view, why not say you are all Iraqi? There are Christian Iraqis after all, who are proud to claim themselves as Iraqis and are loyal to their nation.
Posted on: May 03, 2007

Sorry Daoud, I realised that after I wrote it but I meant it in the religious context when people specifically ask you if you are sunni or shia. My point is that you don't have to declare one or the other, as sunnis and shias are all muslims at the end of the day and it is the divisions and the labels that are causing the problems as IRAQia pointed out earlier. I too am proud of the fact that Iraq contains christians, jews, sabeans, ba'hais etc etc we are all Iraqis and we should celebrate our diversity. It's what makes Iraq special and unique. I long for the day where we will see religious tolerance back in our country...I think just about every religious group in Iraq has suffered but we can only hope that this will change. Thanks Metaz
Posted on: May 03, 2007

Thanks Metez, no offense was taken, I just wanted to make sure that my Iraqi Christian relatives are included in the conversation. Very kind of you to clarify your statement nonetheless. You're right, everyone in Iraq is suffering right now. It's so tragic that some Iraqis are pitted against other Iraqis right now. If only Iraq's influential individuals could convene across their divisions and show themselves as united against violence. One prominent, respected Iraqi leader representing each group appearing publicly together, urging unity, might go a long way in helping resurrect Iraqi patriotism. I hope that's not a silly comment - I'm trying to think of ways that Iraqis could overcome the divisions that exist currently. I found the following videos interesting. They're a group from the Iraqi parliament who address the issues plaguing Iraq. I don't necessarily agree with everything stated, but I believe that a dialogue along these lines is the beginning of hope and peaceful compromise. Another way of putting it: I don't have to agree with absolutely everything stated, but I appreciate the openness of the dialogue as a starting point for resolution of conflict. Here are the videos:
Posted on: May 03, 2007

Saif, We are so sorry. Most of us did not vote for this guy and many have fought Bush every step of the way. Saddam was a mad man, but the ignorance of our administratio has thrown your lives into chaos. I can not tell you how sorry so many of us are. I would appreciate your thoughts on what we do now. The Republicans are done in a year and a half. The Democrats will inherit this mess, what do we do? Many of us want to get out, but is that the best alternative from your point of view? I know, no one knows what will happen. What do we do to help, once the US Government is actually listening and competent?
Posted on: May 03, 2007

Viewing this last video caused me to send a message to all of the people in the US that are running in the Democratic primary. I did this because I have firmly felt that our troops should get out of Iraq as soon as possible and that's how the Democratic party feels and they are running on that fact. Now I'm really concerned about what would happen to the good people of Iraq if we pull out all together. Of course, if we stay we would really need help from other nations and the current administration has ruined our reputation with the world ; so I just don't know how that would work out. I have asked the nominees to view your videos and make a comment publicly. I have no idea how you feel about this ; maybe you want the soldiers to leave . I hope you understand that the vast majority of the soldiers are just doing what they are told to do. The soldiers should have never been sent to your country in the first place but now that the US government has put you in such turmoil I feel we have a responsibility. I didn't feel this way until viewing these videos. I wish someone could come up with the right answer to this , I know I don't. I'm hoping the Democratic nominees will make comment after viewing these videos. I'll let you know if I here of anything. Respectfully Billie
Posted on: May 04, 2007

Another great video..... stay safe guys. All the best wishes from Canada.
Posted on: May 04, 2007

Hi Marwan, I think you are wrong. Because Shiite had the point to kill Sunnis because they thought that Sunnis were in power and didn't let them to practice their relgion and belief. and also they were revenging the war Saddam( as he is Sunni ) did on the Shiite rebules after the american withdrawl in 1991. and Sunni started to fight against the coalition troops first.
Posted on: May 04, 2007

Hey Saif, I understand what you mean, that the shia would naturally feel annoyed about 30 years of oppression and the horrendous attack on shias in 1991. But from my understanding of the news reports that came after the invasion and fall of Saddam in the British media, it was sunni insurgents (mainly non-iraqi arabs, as well as bitter ba'athists and shia haters) who kept on with the car bomb explosions etc. They kept going and going and the majority of shias held themselves, because they knew that if they retaliated, there would be civil war. Then eventually came the bombing of Samarra a while later (and after many shias were murdered) which was the final straw and then shias had enough of not only 30 years of oppression but then this as well. So they began to retaliate. Of course not all shias retaliated, it was mainly the militias of Al-Sadr etc. I hate what these militias represent and they talk rubbish with their banning of salads (!) but without them, shias would probably have been wiped out of Iraq by now with the way the insurgency was going (and still is) From my understanding of shias, they do not have this general hatred in their hearts like alot of Arabs do and from my experience of shias, they are kind, loving, forgiving people. So it is hard to believe that they would kill sunnis after the fall of saddam because of the treatment they had received, as you mentioned. Maybe only a small few, but not on the same scale as the sunni insurgency. Whatever my opinion or your opinion, what's done is done, we could spend all day arguing about who started and I could pull out a chronological list of each attack from media sources on the internet but this isn't going to solve anything. What needs to be solved and repaired is the disunity amongst iraqis. We need to get this back. I think this starts with the young people like you and I and the other Iraqis appearing in the videos and on these message boards. Take care all, Marwan
Posted on: May 04, 2007

Dear All , I just want to say this ( as I said it before ) , This is NOT as Sunni Vs She'a ... It's actually a war between 2 or more Militias having these sectarian thoughts and basis ( which I'm very sure they're doing what ever they do just to gain control and power ). and they don't ever represent Iraqis ... unfortunatly they're using Religion and Money to gain support of the uneducated or illetrate people. I just want to say I'm also proud to be Iraqi , as many other Iraqis ( no Matter what their religion is ! Muslim , Christian , Sebeans and Jews ) . Thank you all for your comments , thanks to all Iraqis here... this proves we all care about our country and we all want the best for our Iraq. Thank you
Posted on: May 05, 2007

Ah'sant ya Ausama, you are making all Iraqis proud; Just want to apologise to our shia brothers and sisters for the awful behaviour witnessed on Al-Jazeera by Ahmad Mansour towards Jawad Al-Khalisi; again it just represents unprofessional journalism, ignorance, bias and hatred. I think they went too far this time and they certainly don't represent my views on the shia tradition. God Bless Marwan
Posted on: May 05, 2007

Each and every one of these videos strikes such a nerve in me, the same way they no doubt do in anyone who watches them. Like some of the posters above, when Adel couldn't continue, it... Hits you so hard. It's such a blow. I'm not usually all that emotional, but when I saw this... I don't know. The sheer level of humanity you guys display, it's unbelievable. It's so easy to live your life in Europe, just slipping into a state of anonymity, you know, just detach from people and their suffering like the vast majority of people here are doing. There is no way you can watch this and continue to feel that way. It's such a shellshock. The sincere sympathy I have for you, the pure compassion I experience down to the deepest core of my existence, is just unbearable. I feel completely and utterly powerless in the face of it. For what it's worth, I want you to know that.
Posted on: May 06, 2007

"There are only two parties in Iraq, the Sunni party and the Shiite party." - Iraqi prime minister, 1952. Saif, Adel, Ausama, Marwan, and all: Dude it has always been like this, pick up any book by Ali al-Wardi and start reading on our horrible history, it's all filled with blood, and the history which has formed this Iraq is explicitly related to the Shia-Sunna thing. It's not about religion and who's right and who's wrong but it's CLEARLY about something that is much like identification and racism, something this series heroes fail to realize because they're all secular, which is a minority in Iraq as far as I'm concerned. Saif thinks Shia started it while in the fact us Sunnis began beating the shit out of them for a long time (Saddam, and then Zarqawi).... and yes Marwan, Ahmed Mansur was fucking horrible at that interview.
Posted on: May 07, 2007

Thanks Konfused Kid, I was beginning to think that I must be living in another universe! Saif, you say that the sunnis were the first to fight against the coalition troops- you might think this is patriotic, but ask yourself why? Because sunnis have more to loose through the war that's why! What is certainly not patriatic of my iraqi sunni breathren is the constant car bomb explosions killing thousands of Iraqis and the cutting off of water and electricity supplies. Why are we doing this? Why are we trying to turn our country upside down? I am ashamed to say that sunnis in Iraq seem to have the mentality that if we are not ruling the country, then we will turn it upside down, which is what we are doing right now. Another thing, lets not forget how the shias in the 1920s resisted british troops so much so that it took them 3 years to get from basra to baghdad. now thats what I call proper resistance! Yes Konfused Kids, its a racism, superiority thing- but sunnis need to realise that it was never right for us to be in power in the first place- WE ARE A MINORITY! Democratic principles dictate that the most we can expect in terms of political power is proportional representation in the Iraqi Parliament, which is what we have. The quicker sunnis realise this, the better. Go and read Plato and Aristotle to get this. I don't think there is anywhere else on the planet where the minority ruled the majority- maybe in Rwanda but look what happened to the Tutsis! The majority of shias don't hate sunnis, and in this new Iraq, they don't want to hurt sunnis, they just want to have equality and the same rights as everyone, not to be treated like second-class citizens like they were in Saddam's Iraq.
Posted on: May 09, 2007

Oh and I don't know if anyone watches Mustikillah channel but I was ashamed by the behaviour of a host of the show the other night on it, his name was something Al-Janabi. Unprovoked, he basically told a listener from the south of Iraq to 'Incheb kundara'. What kind of language is this? What kind of low-level mentality is this? No wonder why Iraq is having problems where you have people like that who think like that. Ish ged ackleeya wa ilsahn was'such wa mareeth'. He was supposed to the host so impartial and fair- obviously some Iraqis and Arabs have a lot to learn about this! He is on the show alot I think and of course his hatred is always visible. Oh and just to back up something Konfused Kid said, of course there is a division in Iraq- you turn on any Iraqi satellite channel, and you can tell what someone is just by listening to them, you don't even need to know their name! We should stop going on about the Iranian influence, this is just another way for sunnis to express their hatred for shias, I think the Iranian influence is minimal if not non-existent. And anyway, shias are the majority, if their religious men are close to Iranians who are we to stop them or tell them otherwise?
Posted on: May 09, 2007

Hey Marwan... You're the anonymous dude right on my blog? Well...I pretty much agree with what you said but I think that Shias too are as much as to blame as us, for the following reasons: 1. When the regime fell, the resistance did not start immediately. Everyone was pretty much waiting to see what is going on, when it was clear that the Shias were returning with such venegance and hatred against all Baathists, even the smallest ones, they practiced such horrible isolation that the Baathies were compelled to fight back. The US forces also were on their side back then, and so began the Glorious Resistance which carried out all forms of craziness, which led to even more craziness from the other side. So the problem is that both sides are equally barbaric and none is willing to look for the greater good. (Some of the things I said above are based on the excellent book by Saif al-Khayat about Shia in Iraq) 2. Iranian influence is very much true I'm afraid. It is true that most of the Iraqi army which fought Iran was Shia, however, the religious ties are now too strong, and the Najaf hawza itself is often ruled by Iranians, which is certain to evoke some familiarity if not outright influence. Not to mention the fact that Sunnis from Iraq and the other Arab countries did all the best they could to push Arab Shia into welcoming Iran as their protector by our sectarain comments and insults, the problem is in both sides, we should be more forgiving to the fact that their understanding of religion is different, and they must also be willing to recognize the MAJOR differences and be willing to exist in peace. and most importantly, we need to create a national identification, which seems a hard thing to do, prior to the Monarchy, our country was simply a battleground for the Ottoman and Saffavids, with each side cheering their respective sect. King Faisal admitted the difficulty of creating a national sentiment in a famous memoir (see satirical website Beidipedia's Iraq entry). p.s. if you're the same Mr. Marwan al-Ani who lives in Jordan and works at the CCNA academy, I'd be glad to know you ;)
Posted on: May 09, 2007

I agree that the approach towards Ba'athis post-war was wrong- alot of people had to become ba'athis to stay alive and those high in rank just had to go along with orders or face the execution gallows! And yes we do need to create a national identification- but from all the shias I know, they don't hate sunnis (ive always found that its the other way round when sunnis get together and talk!) and I don't think there was that much hatred towards sunnis post-war, maybe just from the crazy militias who should spend their time more productively. They do accept that sunnis are different to them, they always quote the qu'arn which says 'me to my way you to yours' they just want sunnis to leave them alone, stop killing them and even if sunnis think shias are kufar ( which of course is totally wrong) then they should remember this part of the qu'arn. It is tragic that Al-Qaeda thinks that killing 1 shia is like killing 5 jews. Okay so there is an Iranian influence in the religious houses in Karbala and Nejef but so what? Look at the Catholic church, all churches across Europe and the world have ties with Rome; the same can be said with this situation. It is not a crime for the Iranians and parts of the Iraqi community to share the same religious ideas and they may get involved with politics, but like you said, Iraq is on the whole, non-sectarian, so they want religion to be involved with their politics. As a result, you will inevitably get politically parties with a shia agenda. I don't think there would be any influence from Iran in Iraqi politics if Iraqi shias (along with the other groups in Iraq) were allowed to rule the country, free from the Americans, Al-Qaeda, militias and insurgents. On a lighter note, dude you crack me up with that al-arabiya stuff! no unfortunately im not that person, don't live in Jordan. Take care Marwan
Posted on: May 09, 2007

*Sorry I meant that on the whole, Iraqis are sectarian or identify themselves through their religion (with reference to the Iranian comment)
Posted on: May 09, 2007

Marwan and Konfused Kid, very well said. Coming from a Shia perceptive, I do feel that Iran does want a foot in Iraq as do Saudia both for political reasons. Yet I do believe most Iraqis, regardless of preferred sect in Islam ( did ya notice it's in ISLAM, not separate religions?) want peace and an end to all the violence that is happening in the country. Nobody wants to see their kids getting killed in front of them in the name of "religion." They pass it off as "religion" but it's all about power in the end. Iraqis should be smart enough to see properganda polished nicely in the form of "religion." It's hard to imagine Iraqis unitying as they did when the British came. Maybe they can, only time will tell. Maybe we should there should be billboards in Iraq telling them to unity, then they will really get the message.
Posted on: May 09, 2007

Killing in Iraq is the best hobby to practice in Iraq.
Posted on: May 14, 2007

Saif- not guitar playing? :(
Posted on: May 16, 2007

I find it interesting that despite the fact that the Prophet prohibited division and fighting amongst each other, they still do it. (I'm a nerd.. lol. Got interested in the religion because I have a bunch of online Muslim friends :) Got even more interested ever since 9/11 and all those controversial issues). It has to be like what you said Ausama.. It's not about the religion, it's about money. As an add on, it's also about power. This world is becoming sooo corrupt, it bugs me. Seeing 3 bodies a day being taken to a morgue? That's just disturbing I agree Saif that no side is going to win, just like the bigger war between the military and the terrorists/militants. Instead of making things better, it just gets worse. It makes me sick too Adel -_- What bothers me most, is the fact that people have the nerve to think you guys are just actors, liers.. Those people no nothing about the truth. The Media just twists everything. God bless you guys, and I hope that peace will someday come for everyone (hopefully sooner than later) I think I was going to say something else too, but it slipped my mind D:
Posted on: June 21, 2007

My Name is Danny and I live in Kansas City Missouri. I just wanted to say that I really feel for you and yours. I appreciate the documentaries you and your friends have made. I hate what you have to go through. The news in America does not show how things really are there. They talk about it but do not show any real footage of everyday life there. I hope you prosper with your Music. I love you Dude. Take Care and I hope it all gets better
Posted on: July 29, 2007

  1. Brains on Campus

  2. The Dentist

  3. Forbidden Salad

  4. Powerless

  5. Songs of Pain

  6. Abdullah Leaves

  7. Symphony of Bullets

  8. Last Resort

  9. Iraqis Shooting Each Other

  10. Mentally F'ed Up

  11. Saif Heart Noor

  12. Exams

  13. Hidden Camera

  14. Barbwire

  15. Kiss and Tell

  16. Across The River

  17. Hubbly Bubbly

  18. Anger Pain Death Madness

  19. Security

  20. Liberation

  21. My Best Friend Zaid

  22. Sick of This

  23. Iraqi Man

  24. Troops

  25. The Palace Maid

  26. Beggar At the Gate

  27. Market Boom

  28. Tickets & Popcorn

  29. Nothing But Guitar

  30. Over Here and Over There

  31. City on the Sea

  32. Goodnight, Baghdad

  33. Out of War

  34. Back to Baghdad

  35. Trouble finds Its way

  36. Zaghareet

  37. One of Thousands

  38. Jimi Hendrix